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pirxowa

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Re: about the Polish language
« Odpowiedź #30 dnia: Luty 19, 2006, 11:25:10 am »
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What's doń? I figure it's probably the genitive plural of something, but I don't know what...


"doń" is a shorter form of "do niego/do niej". It sounds a little bit archaic and poetic.

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Re: about the Polish language
« Odpowiedź #31 dnia: Luty 19, 2006, 09:07:01 pm »
Ah...  Thanks as always...

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Re: about the Polish language
« Odpowiedź #32 dnia: Marzec 07, 2006, 06:24:53 am »
Which novels use "archaic and poetic" language, which do not? And what is complicated about Golem XIV in detail? The terminology, the structure of the sentences?
Are there passages or books you know where Lem uses very colloquial expressions or language?

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Re: about the Polish language
« Odpowiedź #33 dnia: Marzec 07, 2006, 12:06:53 pm »
Well, the 'archaic & poetic' style, as you described it, appears in The Tales of the Robots (aka Mortal Engines + Cosmic Carnival). Also, partly, in Cyberiad.

As for Golem XIV, yes, the difficulties lie in the terminology. Mostly because he uses words that may be hard to understand for most people. Also, the logical structure of the language Golem uses may be hard to follow, as it is very complex.

As for colloquialisms, I don't recall to many examples.  

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Re: about the Polish language
« Odpowiedź #34 dnia: Marzec 18, 2006, 12:43:59 am »
Where does the word bohater come from, that is, what is its etymology?

[BTW, Terminus, I just noticed that you mentioned Cosmic Carnival. That book was sort of a Lem 'sampler', short stories and chapters from here and there. I don't think it has anything that we don't have available in some other book.]
« Ostatnia zmiana: Marzec 18, 2006, 12:57:47 am wysłana przez innate »

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Re: about the Polish language
« Odpowiedź #35 dnia: Marzec 27, 2006, 07:15:14 pm »
[ "Czytajcie Lema, lepszego nie ma!". Huh?

Read Lem, Whos better, ehm?

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Re: about the Polish language
« Odpowiedź #36 dnia: Marzec 29, 2006, 12:12:42 am »
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Where does the word bohater come from, that is, what is its etymology?

Very ancient and complicated...
http://www.historycy.org/index.php?showtopic=8392&pid=113511&st=45&#entry113511
(I hope you understand their explanations in Polish.)

However http://www.northvegr.org/lore/grimmst/015_01.php claims something a little bit different... (see Endnote 8 ).

Anyway, this word is much older than Polish language and comes from the times when we lived somewhere in Asia :-)
« Ostatnia zmiana: Marzec 29, 2006, 12:13:08 am wysłana przez pirxowa »

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Re: about the Polish language
« Odpowiedź #37 dnia: Marzec 30, 2006, 08:02:21 pm »
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Latin: Are there places where it is still routinely taught? I always have to skip over the expressions. Speaking of which, I saw that Ritch was recently considering gathering them and coming up with translations. Sounds like a good idea to me.


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