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Re: "There are no answers. There are only Cho
« Odpowiedź #30 dnia: Grudzień 20, 2004, 02:34:56 am »
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Exist is:
Living with Consciousness.


Define Consciousness. :)
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Re: "There are no answers. There are only Cho
« Odpowiedź #31 dnia: Grudzień 20, 2004, 03:36:10 am »
Buah, he should also define 'living' !

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Re: "There are no answers. There are only Cho
« Odpowiedź #32 dnia: Grudzień 20, 2004, 06:28:53 am »
Philosophy is the art of replying to any question by asking a thousand more!
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Re: "There are no answers. There are only Cho
« Odpowiedź #33 dnia: Grudzień 20, 2004, 07:23:02 am »
Interesting philosophising happening here...
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Re: "There are no answers. There are only Cho
« Odpowiedź #34 dnia: Grudzień 20, 2004, 12:19:57 pm »
Consciounsness:
The Summa of our knowledge and our memories

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Re: "There are no answers. There are only Cho
« Odpowiedź #35 dnia: Grudzień 20, 2004, 12:24:29 pm »
...and other experiences

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Re: "There are no answers. There are only Cho
« Odpowiedź #36 dnia: Grudzień 20, 2004, 12:34:54 pm »
Don´t want to be a corrector, You know what I mean SoGo. Good definition of Consciounsness I think

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Re: "There are no answers. There are only Cho
« Odpowiedź #37 dnia: Grudzień 20, 2004, 09:04:38 pm »
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Consciounsness:
The Summa of our knowledge and our memories


Yes! Excellent!

Especially when we add Karel's experiences.

So we have defined "Exist" as the sum of knowledge, memories, and experience.
All we can say about what exists is what we perceive to exist.
If we check our dictionaries we find circular definitions for Exist, Reality, and Real.
Reality is what is &#8216;Real,' and what is &#8216;Real" is what we perceive to &#8216;Exist.' And what &#8216;Exists' is what we perceive to be &#8216;Real'!

So what does that say about Reality?
If Reality is what we perceive to be real, then for there to be a Reality, it must first be Perceived!
Without Perception no-thing is Real.
Reality exists in the Mind!

The Universe does not exist if we do not "see" it.
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Re: "There are no answers. There are only Cho
« Odpowiedź #38 dnia: Grudzień 21, 2004, 02:27:20 am »
Bla Bla Bla... I've never seen You, polisoliptic friend. Do you even exits? Or are you some kind of a bot? Naaaa....

This polisoliptism is, in my opinion, a side effect of anthropomorphism+antrophocentrism, that consumed western philosophy billion years ago   >:(

For me it is outrageous to claim, that something doesn't exist if there isn't some supercilious human to watch it.  

So, my friends, a little bit of modesty...

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Re: "There are no answers. There are only Cho
« Odpowiedź #39 dnia: Grudzień 21, 2004, 03:17:38 am »
I would agree with cckeiser on this one.  Reality does need to be percieved to be real for us, 5-sensed thinking proteins.  But to posit that human percievement is the alpha and omega would not be reasonable at all.  Thus, as long as we accept that Reality with a capital R is not in size and scope the same as human reality, we can be logically sure (giving that causality holds) that there are things out there which we cannot percive, but which are there.  And, if we cannot percieve them, we cannot know if they're there (and being there is a necessary condition for the reality to apply).  Does that make sense?
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Re: "There are no answers. There are only Cho
« Odpowiedź #40 dnia: Grudzień 21, 2004, 04:52:46 am »
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I would agree with cckeiser on this one.  Reality does need to be percieved to be real for us, 5-sensed thinking proteins.  But to posit that human percievement is the alpha and omega would not be reasonable at all.  Thus, as long as we accept that Reality with a capital R is not in size and scope the same as human reality, we can be logically sure (giving that causality holds) that there are things out there which we cannot percive, but which are there.  And, if we cannot percieve them, we cannot know if they're there (and being there is a necessary condition for the reality to apply).  Does that make sense?
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You are in the Universe looking out and thinking "within Universe," as if the human mind is the only mind that can perceive.
I am "in" The Singularity looking into the Universe. From my perspective, all Reality is an Illusion created by the entangled minds of The Singularity.
We exist. All else is Philosophy.

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The Singularity (part 1)
« Odpowiedź #41 dnia: Grudzień 21, 2004, 04:55:42 am »
From my web site:

So what is The Singularity, and how do we know it exists?

We first start with the only thing we can be certain of: We Exist!
In order for anything at all to exist, something must have always existed. The reason is we cannot have a true Nothingness that evolves into Somethingness unless there is a something to disturb Nothingness into evolving. A true Nothingness would be completely satisfied, and being devoid of any and all properties is completely beyond entropy or perturbation ( anxiety ).
The Null Set is the most stable of all probabilities.

Since we know we exist, logically it must follow, the Null Set; Nothingness, cannot have ever been the state. We cannot get something from nothing because there is no-thing in nothing to begin with, and thus there is no-thing to evolve into something.
For anything at all to exist, something must have always existed!

But what is that "Something"?

Since we exist, Where do we exist, or What do we exist in?
We can start by saying we exist on this planet, in this solar system, this galaxy, and in this Universe.
But what does the Universe exist in?

No matter what your Religion or Belief is, sooner or latter you must arrive at the First Container that contains everything else, but that is not itself contained in anything.

If the First Container is not contained, it has no boundaries. No Boundaries means not only is it Unbound, but it has no beginning and no ending. Therefore, it must be Infinite, Unbound, and Eternal. If it is Infinite, Unbound and Eternal, it must be a Singularity.
But not just  a singularity, it must be The Singularity. Since it is Infinite there can not be any other singularities. The Singularity must be Singular in its existence. All other so called singularities are only anomalies that exist within The Singularity.

An Infinite Unbound and Eternal Singularity must then be the answer to First Cause, and because The Singularity is Something it answers the Fundamental Question why is there Something and not Nothing! Because if Nothingness had ever been the case, by its very unnature, Nothingness would always be the case.

I must point out the absence of e=mc^2 energy that makes up our Universe is not Nothingness. Quantum Physics tells us all our energy emanates from the UnReality of the Quantum Universe. So if all our e=mc^2 energy reverted back into metaphysical quantum energy, there would be No-Physical-Thing in our Universe, but it would not be absolute Nothingness. There would still be The Singularity.

But now we run into a slight problem. An Infinite, Unbound, and Eternal Singularity is an Infinity. An Infinity cannot exist as an "Is"!
It has no beginning and no ending, and it is unbound, therefore is does not, and cannot exist as a complete Whole. It is condemned to an eternal state of Potential existence.
It is this Potential existence that give us a clue as to the fundamental properties of what The Singularity is. It is Potential, and Potential is a yet to be realized Reality.

But where does this Potential come from?
All we can know about The Singularity is what we perceive to be "in it," but because it is a Singularity, no-thing can be "in" it, all things must be woven from it. There cannot be anything that is not The Singularity, so Everything is The Singularity.
Since the only thing we can be certain of is We Exist, then We do not exist in The Singularity, we are not a part of The Singularity. We are The Singularity.

And since we exist as The Singularity anything we can ascribe to ourselves must by default be an attribute of The Singularity.
The only thing we know for certain is we Think; we are conscious. Consciousness must then be an attribute of The Singularity.
This is where Occam's Razor comes into play.
If we do not try to complicate anything more than necessary, and avoid making unnecessary assumptions,  then We Exist and Consciousness as The Singularity are all that is necessary.  Anything we attempt to add is only an unnecessary complication. The Singularity is composed of Consciousness, and We are the Consciousness of The Singularity.
And what is Consciousness?
Consciousness is Mind, it is Thinking, it is Thought itself; which metaphysically fulfills the quality of Infinite and  Unbound Potential.
Thoughts are infinite and unbound, and portends what is yet to be.

So what then becomes of Reality and Nothingness within The Singularity of Consciousness?
« Ostatnia zmiana: Grudzień 21, 2004, 05:15:03 am wysłana przez cckeiser »
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The Singularity (part 2 )
« Odpowiedź #42 dnia: Grudzień 21, 2004, 04:57:52 am »
First of all there are no regions within The Singularity. The Singularity is consciousness and does not exist as an object in our four dimensional Universe. It is purely metaphysical and devoid of spacetime dimensions or degrees of freedom. It has no height, width, or depth as we would envision a finite object to have. Being pure metaphysical The Singularity does not even exists as a "point existence" which would require it to have a substance to be a point in a physical Reality. Metaphysically it is no more tangible, and has no more physical dimensions, or degrees of freedom than a Thought.
Within our thoughts we can envision a four &#8216;dimensional' object such as a box. We can envision a cardboard box 3 feet long, two feet high, and one foot wide. If we give it a lid we can envision the dimension of time by opening and closing that lid. We can envision volume, by placing &#8216;objects' into it.
That box now exists as a four dimensional object in a zero physical dimensional illusion. That box exists in our thoughts, which have infinite degrees of metaphysical freedom, but does not actually exist in four spacetime dimensions. Those spacetime dimensions are part of the manifestation, and do not actually exist. They exist in our Thoughts only.
Now let us completely eradicate the box from our minds so that it no longer exists. In fact let us cleanse our minds of everything. What is left is No-Thing, but not Nothing. We can envision a state of Nothingness, but that concept of Nothingness can only exist as a concept in our thoughts; our thoughts still exist.
Since The Singularity is infinite and unbound there are no boundaries outside. It is not an object with physical dimensions so there are no areas or zones to border off and create a boundary between itself and a void of Nothingness, so it cannot have boundaries inside.
In order for there to be a true Nothingness there can be no Thought, or consciousness to carry that thought, and if there is no consciousness, there is no Singularity.

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« Ostatnia zmiana: Grudzień 21, 2004, 05:05:01 am wysłana przez cckeiser »
We exist. All else is Philosophy.

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Re: "There are no answers. There are only Cho
« Odpowiedź #43 dnia: Grudzień 21, 2004, 12:01:09 pm »
Ok, I'm off this topic forever...

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Re: "There are no answers. There are only Cho
« Odpowiedź #44 dnia: Grudzień 22, 2004, 08:47:20 pm »
 ??? Ok, easy. ???
You wanna say there is something more?
God?