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« Ostatnia wiadomość wysłana przez Q dnia Grudnia 18, 2025, 05:13:32 pm »przypuszczam, że to też ktoś sprawdzał
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10806-024-09934-0
Demagogizujesz
. W linkowanym przeze mnie widać emocjonalne zaangażowanie autorów po określonej stronie sporu (tak jak u Ciebie zresztą, tylko z przeciwnym zwrotem ), ale nie widać by wpływało to na metodologię, przynajmniej wprost. Tu na pierwszy rzut oka da się dostrzec bełkot.Poza tym zwróćmy uwagę na same tytuły periodyków: tu "Journal of Agricultural and Environmental Ethics", tam - "Applied Animal Behaviour Science"
. A trudno o ludzi bardziej w obłokach bujających niż niektórzy etycy (przy czym nie wiem nawet czy ma to prawo dziwić, biorąc pod uwagę aprioryzm i arbitralizm ich dziedziny).A swoją drogą... Taką deklarację znasz?
https://sites.google.com/nyu.edu/nydeclaration/declaration
https://sites.google.com/nyu.edu/nydeclaration/background
Zacytuję:
"It would be inappropriate to talk about “proof,” “certainty,” or “conclusive evidence” in the search for animal consciousness, because the nature of consciousness is still hotly contested. However, it is entirely appropriate to interpret these remarkable displays of learning, memory, planning, problem-solving, self-awareness, and other such capacities as evidence of consciousness in cases where the same behavior, if found in a human or other mammal, would be well explained by conscious processing. These behaviors make it more likely that these animals have consciousness without proving that they have it, just as the symptoms of a disease make it more likely that you have the disease without proving that you have it.
With other mammals and birds, we can now say that the evidence establishes strong scientific support for attributions of consciousness—not conclusive evidence, but many lines of evidence all pointing in the same direction. With other vertebrates (reptiles, amphibians, and fishes) and many invertebrates (cephalopod mollusks such as octopuses and cuttlefish, decapod crustaceans such as hermit crabs and crayfish, and insects such as bees and fruit flies), we can now say that the evidence establishes at least a realistic possibility of consciousness. The chance is high enough to warrant further research aimed at addressing questions of consciousness in these animals. The chance is also high enough to warrant serious consideration of their welfare."
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