Lem in French

[SoGo]

Maybe I am not the only Ossi here, interested in Lem...  

Yeah, you are not  

[SoGo]

I don't know from which part of Germany Rammstein are... but I don't like them, because of their political views... they are somehow rightwinged and I can't tolerate stuff like that.

I'm sorry, but you are completely wrong.
Rammstein comes, like all of us, from East Germany.
It's right, there hard-lined, but in the left way.
It's a wrong term to say they are Nazis or something like that.

[SoGo]

Thank God!

But what else could be said to the topic?  

Perhaps this:
A German Speech Forum would be a good Idea

[Terminus]

You just have to inform the moderators. e-mail adresses are somewhat ,upstairs' from here

[Karel]

I'm sorry, but you are completely wrong.
Rammstein comes, like all of us, from East Germany.
It's right, there hard-lined, but in the left way.
It's a wrong term to say they are Nazis or something like that.

Pleased I am not alone with my opinion...

[SoGo]

Well, Ok, Rammstein is Schocking.
And yes, they had used Propaganda material.
But in this Musicclip (Stripped) there was material from the Olympic Games in Germany as well as material from Stalinistic Propaganda (Didn't know if you have seen it.
The Mass of Women, making gymnastic, thats Russian Propaganda).
I think they take the material for two reasons:
1. Because of the Asthetic.
The Material is Propaganda, but it has his own beauty.

2. They wan't to shock.
How do you scare and get attention.
Make something on the borderline of good taste.

And, to clear it out, I will bring you a parable:
If you make a movie, are automatically like the material.
If you make horror movies you are scaring?
Propaganda-movies you are a Patriot?

Lem's has written in his first books thinks he don't though. But he didn't believe them.

And if Rammstein had sad, not all Nazis are bad, they mean: Respect your enemy

[Angelika_Darksky]

Is somehow new to me. I will look for more information in the net... Now I am totally confused...

(We are still far off topic with this... Sorry!  )

[Terminus]

Who knows, maybe guys from Rammstein read Lem too