Stanisław Lem - Forum
English => Forum in English => Wątek zaczęty przez: Jaak w Kwietnia 18, 2005, 01:10:17 pm
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How old was Harey when she started to live with Kris?
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About twenty. I'm not familiar with english translation, but in polish original of the book there is a chapter where Kris sees ''Gibarian'' (a mimoid) , who tells about Harey "She will always be twenty years old".
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I'd bet she was 18! But I'm not sure if it was at the time they met or at the time she died. But it was definitelly (well, at least as I remember) said in some place in text that she was 18.
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It's hard to check it in the paper version, but I also own "Solaris" preprint in pdf (guess how I got it), and I performed a search there. Word "eighteen" doesn't occure even one time. Whereas word "twenty" does, and it's exactly in the line that I cited above.
Searching for the word "year(s)" can also give interesting results, such as that Kelvin traveled to Solaris twelve years after Harey's death.
So I welcome the bet, she was 20.
::)
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damn, I owe You ;)
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I'd bet she was 18! But I'm not sure if it was at the time they met or at the time she died. But it was definitelly (well, at least as I remember) said in some place in text that she was 18.
I think that in the scene Kris wakes up to describe her, he tells that she should have been 29, but is still 19 because she died at that age. Is it the same in your versions?
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I belive it's same... Terminus, could You search the "digital" version for "nineteen"?
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Ok I checked for 'nineteen' and found it. Jaak is right: there is a scene when Kris recalls Harey before she died; saying that she was nineteen at the time. I admit I haven't found this scene before.
So she was nineteen. This must be on Gibarian's mind when he says "Twenty". My mistake. But, to conclude things, 19 and 20 is not that much difference.
Either way we can see, that in Sodenbergh's version Harey looks much older than 19. In Tarkovski's movie she's a bit younger, but still looks older than 19. (I'm not telling that I care about what she looks like in the movies, it's just an interesting fact.)
Cheers
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OK. When did Harey and Kris start to live together?
In a scene where Kris talks to a colleague about their backstory, I think it was Sartorius (Snaut was the one who did not want to meet, right?), he tells that Harey had implied the threat of suicide, not explicitly, but he understood it because they had lived together for years.
Then how old was Harey when she started to live with Kris?
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Yes, interesting. She must have been even younger than 18... Strange relationship ::)
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This reminded me of another novel. In the Return from the Stars, it is mentioned that women no longer care about successful men - all that matters is youth.
It goes on to mention that the hero, a healthy if tired 40-year-old, looks like a 100-year-old who has ben rejuvenated.
If women go strictly after youth and disregard success and social status, I wonder how young men/boys they go after.
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Hari or Harey is just a character of Solaris she loved Kris and commited suicide. She stands out as a recollection of Kris`s mind materialized by RED OCEAN. It doesn`t realy matter how old the characters were cause Shakespeare`s Romeo and Jouliet were beloved children with tragic fate.
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Well it does matter for me for example ;)
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If women go strictly after youth and disregard success and social status, I wonder how young men/boys they go after.
Haha, that's good. Probably they prefer ones below 100 :)
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Hari or Harey is just a character of Solaris ...
... and Romeo & Juliet were just characters from Shakespeare's drama; that's no explanation.
We are interested in book's characters not because they are or are not real. We just ask: what would it be like, if it all was for real. From that point of view; Harey's age does count, at least it's not meaningless (of course I understand it's not essential. Nobody claims it is! It's just a curiosity.).
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The Age.
Never looked at it.
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Guys, it's written thet she's nineteen. I'm sure she is nineteen. If I'm wrong you wil be able to beat me. :)
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You're a little late, buddy, but You're right, she was 19. Kelvin recalls that when he sees her for the first time onboard Solaris spacestation.
Nobody wans to beat You though, don't worry :]
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Then how old was Kris?
I think that somewhere Kris stated that Solaris was discovered 100 years before he was born. In another place, it seems that at the time of events 138 years, or possibly more, had passed from the discovery of Solarit. This means Kris was 38 or more. And 28 or more when Harey died at the age of 19. He was 9 years or more older than Harey when they started to live together.
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You should send new topic. :)
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Dear me! :o What you need this information about ages for, Jaak? I'm very curious! It must be important... :)
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Dear me! :o What you need this information about ages for, Jaak? I'm very curious! It must be important... :)
Or its just an funny question, which never can be answered surely, like
"Who was the frosted one in Fiasco"?
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Both of them were freezed, there is no question there ::)
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Both of them were freezed, there is no question there ::)
Sorry, I meant "the frosted one, which was reanimated"
:)
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I distinctively remember somone asking these same questions on the old forum some years ago - I remember that the consensus was that her age must have been around 19 as well, and that it was indeed quite strange that she was so young since Kris apparently lived with her for yeas ("...jak sie z kims mieszka latami..."). I too was rather perplexed by this but hey, live and let live is my motto.
Cheers, Socrates
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Hey man, welcome back. Of course "live and let (anything)" is a cool motto; nevertheless I'm somehow amazed by the fact that Lem's got such a debauched
ideas ::).
Personally I think he just got lost with all those numbers, and he didn't notice this strange thing. More: I bet he still doesn't know about all this Harey-Age-Mess.
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Greetings to all. What with vacations and constant work I almost wholly abandoned the internet and its goodies (at least for pleasure). But then again this is Lem's forum, and thinking about Lem is not a "fun" thing, but rather more of a duty every person has towards life and literature...
I'm sure it was simply an oversight on Lem's part as well, especially considering that Lem wrote the book in like only a couple of months (was it two or three?)
Cheers, Socrates
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thinking about Lem is not a "fun" thing, but rather more of a duty every person has towards life and literature...
:)